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標題 Re: [新聞] 兩岸開戰美將毀台積電是錯誤訊息！　白
時間 Wed Mar 15 17:43:44 2023

先說結論

美國要毀台積電是真新聞

陶本和出來混淆視聽才是假新聞認知作戰

以下回復到3/13的報導

由美媒商業內幕放出的消息

US would destroy Taiwan's semiconductor factories rather than letting them
fall into China's hands, a former national security advisor says

前美國安顧問稱，若陸侵台美或將摧毀台灣積體電路工廠以免落入陸手中

Britney Nguyen Mar 14, 2023, 4:17 PM

A former national security advisor said the US would destroy Taiwan's
semiconductor factories if China seemed on the verge of controlling them
after an invasion.
前美國安顧問稱美或將摧毀台積體電路工廠，如果中國侵台即將得手時


Robert O'Brien, who served as national security advisor in the Trump
administration, told Semafor the US "and its allies are never going to let
those factories fall into Chinese hands."
川普政府的國家安全顧問歐布萊恩告訴Semafor(新聞網站): 美國與其盟友不會讓
那些工廠落入中國手中


Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company is the world's largest chipmaker,
making up an estimated 90% of the market for advanced processors. The company
produces chips for most devices and equipment like phones and cars that are
used every day. More advanced chips produced by the manufacturer are used in
highly advanced technology like machine learning and guided missiles.
TSMC是世界最大的晶片製造, 涵蓋高端晶片的90%. 這家公司出產晶片給多數裝置與設備
如手機和汽車. 此外先進晶片可用於高端科技如機器學習和導引飛彈等



If China were to take control of these factories, the country would be "like
the new OPEC of silicon chips," O'Brien said, adding that China would be able
to "control the world economy."
若中國控制這些晶片, 台灣將會像是晶片界的OPEC組織, 中國此後將掌控世界的經濟


The former advisor compared the US destroying the factories to when British
Prime Minister Winston Churchill ordered the destruction of France's naval
fleet during World War II after France surrendered to Germany, per Semafor.
前國安顧問甚至將此比喻為二戰時前英國首相邱吉爾在法國投降後, 為防止落入德軍
納粹手中而下令摧毀法國的艦隊



Neither O'Brien nor TSMC immediately responded to requests for comment from
Insider.
歐布萊恩和TSMC目前為止對此事件都未回應


Apple is TSMC's biggest customer, and the manufacturer produces most of the
1.4 billion smartphone processors in the world. Around 60% of the simpler
microcontrollers that automakers also reportedly use are made by the company.
蘋果是TSMC最大的買家, 而製造商(TSMC)生產大部分的手機晶片 (14億). 大約六成的
汽車製造商微控制器也是向TSMC購買




Though a lot of the research and development for semiconductors happens in
the US, the past 30 years saw manufacturers deciding it was best to outsource
manufacturing, William Alan Reinsch, a senior advisor at the Center for
Strategic and International Studies, previously told Insider.
儘管很多半導體的研究和發展仍留在美國, William Alan Reinsch(Center for strategi
c and internation studies的高階顧問)告訴商業內幕雜誌, 近30年內多數製造仍外包
國外製造


"You build a big factory and you crank these things out by the thousands, and
you do it in a low-wage, nonunion country that probably doesn't have
environmental requirements," Reinsch said. "You keep all the design and IP at
home and you do all your sales, marketing, and service at home, and that's
where you make the money."
他稱: 多數公司傾向在國外建立大型工廠、數千人幫你操縱起重機，且低薪又無工會保障
可能還無相關環境法規限制的地方。而本國只保留設計與銷售等部門，這才是賺錢之道



O'Brien is not the first to raise the idea of destroying Taiwan's
semiconductor factories if China successfully invades. Two US scholars
recommended the move in a paper published by the US Army War College in 2021.
其實歐布萊恩並不是第一個提出在戰時摧毀TSMC的人, 2001年時兩位美國學者即在美國陸軍
戰爭學院出版品中提到此想法



"To start, the United States and Taiwan should lay plans for a targeted
scorched-earth strategy that would render Taiwan not just unattractive if
ever seized by force, but positively costly to maintain," the paper said.
"This could be done most effectively by threatening to destroy facilities
belonging to the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, the most
important chipmaker in the world and China's most important supplier. Samsung
based in South Korea (a US ally) is the only alternative for cutting-edge
designs."
(當時的文章) 美國和台灣應該計畫一個玉石俱焚計畫保證台灣戰後會一文不值
讓占領後控制者得不到好處但又付出龐大代價, 計畫中就提到威脅摧毀TSMC設施
會是最有效果的方法, 畢竟該工廠是世界與中國最大最重要的供應商, 唯有韓國
的三星電子有能力替代台積電提供先進製程晶片


But Chen Ming-tong, the director-general of Taiwan's National Security
Bureau, has said it would be unnecessary for the US to destroy Taiwan's
semiconductor factories in the case of an invasion, because the system is
already deeply integrated into the global supply chain, meaning that
production can be shut down by the US and other countries without physically
destroying the factories.
但台灣國安會首長陳明通提到, 美國摧毀TSMC工廠是不必要的, 畢竟TSMC的製程已經
緊緊的融入世界供應鏈中, 意味著美國只要停供相關零件給台積電即可不費一兵一卒
達到一樣的目的


For example, TSMC wouldn't be able to produce certain chips without
components from the Dutch supplier ASML, Chen said. "Even if China got a hold
of the golden hen, it won't be able to lay golden eggs," Chen said.
舉例而言, 只要荷蘭ASML供應商停供設備, TSMC即無法生產晶片, 中國得到了金母雞也
無法生出金雞蛋

As tensions between mainland China and Taiwan continue to escalate, analysts
are predicting a Chinese invasion of the island within the next few years. If
China does invade Taiwan, "that would be the biggest impact we've seen to the
global economy — possibly ever," Glenn O'Donnell, the vice president and
research director at Forrester, previously told Insider, adding that it could
be worse than the stock market crash in 1929.
兩岸情勢上升, 分析指出未來幾年不排除爆發侵略戰爭, 若兩岸戰爭爆發, 我們將看到
有史以來對世界經濟最大的影響 , Glenn O'Donnell(Forrester的副總裁)告訴商業內幕
雜誌, 甚至比1929經濟大蕭條時更為嚴峻


https://www.businessinsider.com/us-wo...oid-china-trump-adviser-2023-3
US Would Destroy Taiwan Chip Factories to Avoid China Capture: Advisor
[圖]
Robert O'Brien told Semafor that China would be "like the new OPEC of silicon chips" if it invaded Taiwan and took over semiconductor factories. ...

 

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這個文章早在3/13就提出

聯合報甚至只翻了前半段, 後半段我剛才補上翻譯

真正的假消息來自於東森新聞陶本和

亂下聳動標題試圖擾亂視聽

若不爽, 怎麼不去請商業內幕雜誌徹文?

西方主流媒體都登上去了, 現在是蒙住雙眼就沒有這件事?

美國有權可以擬定各種計畫, 台灣也有權利知道好嗎?



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Re: [新聞] 兩岸開戰美將毀台積電是錯誤訊息！ 白
03-15 17:43 Stunts
→ spzper: 是真是假沒人知道阿~有人敢保證一定不會?1F 1.170.154.102 台灣 03/15 17:44
→ yesman1214: 死忠低端仔潛意識就認為是假的
能逃的自保就好2F 42.73.166.233 台灣 03/15 17:45
推 q34355997: 就塔綠班怕台灣人不當美國砲灰拼命騙能騙一個是一個 你們不為美國去死他們怎麼有機會去美國吃香喝辣4F 101.136.82.34 台灣 03/15 17:46
→ cdmlin: 關鍵設備跟材料掌握在歐美日 只工廠沒屁用7F 1.34.229.213 台灣 03/15 17:48
推 yoshilin: 這幾個美國人就門外漢，台gg少了美日荷支援，也就是廢墟而已8F 211.181.69.66 南韓 03/15 17:48
推 peterwu4: 台GG只會做IC而以… 美國日本一旦把原物10F 61.222.220.37 台灣 03/15 17:48
→ yoshilin: 講得好像得台gg得天下11F 211.181.69.66 南韓 03/15 17:48
→ peterwu4: 料供給切斷GG也沒有用，所以台GG落入中12F 61.222.220.37 台灣 03/15 17:49
→ Qaaaa: 這新聞好像快半年前就有ㄌ13F 192.38.90.165 丹麥 03/15 17:49
→ peterwu4: 共沒這麼嚴重，反而有助於平衡中國和美14F 61.222.220.37 台灣 03/15 17:49
→ Qaaaa: 怎最近才在吵說15F 192.38.90.165 丹麥 03/15 17:49
→ peterwu4: 國的關係~~
美國就是割世界的韭菜割的太習慣了…面16F 61.222.220.37 台灣 03/15 17:50
→ DuvetLain: 對於世界來說，台灣回歸中國，只要能正常貿易其實沒差18F 27.53.128.143 台灣 03/15 17:51
→ peterwu4: 對中國的崛起很不爽很不適應而以… 其他國家甚至歐盟也都在看啊~~  像歐盟看你美國如果真的能拿下中國，它們也沒意見反正就繼續跟著美國爽跟著美國混而以~~美國一直爛招在搞中國，大家都發現只能20F 61.222.220.37 台灣 03/15 17:51
→ DuvetLain: 問題是，為什麼美國可以公然主張為了自己的利益，毀壞他國的設施財產好像合理當然，甚至當事國還要拍手支持，欣然接受25F 27.53.128.143 台灣 03/15 17:54
→ peterwu4: 照著你美國的規矩玩都不能崛起…然後又喊著民主自由自由貿易…29F 61.222.220.37 台灣 03/15 17:54
→ DuvetLain: 如果台灣人民的選擇就是和平統一，美國也是或有權摧毀台灣嗎？還是恐嚇台灣人，追求和平就是與美國為敵？31F 27.53.128.143 台灣 03/15 17:57
推 leonhsu: 開戰前國軍贏團結主動攻擊美國人撤僑專機34F 220.129.42.226 台灣 03/15 18:04
推 sd90213: 世界高喊的民主自由 結果都是戰爭36F 27.52.10.148 台灣 03/15 18:09
推 buddhawu: 台積電的設備/材料/軟體全都跟人買的
美國只要一制裁，分分秒台積就變中芯惹37F 219.84.56.192 台灣 03/15 18:14
推 npsi: 你這樣會讓黨不開心39F 223.136.247.113 台灣 03/15 18:15
推 sanders: 這是3/13的報導 本篇是說歐15日接受訪問40F 59.120.192.196 台灣 03/15 18:22
推 ptychodera: 表面台灣人內心美國人 一直為美考慮41F 203.30.4.115 澳大利亞 03/15 18:29
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推 lymyuming: 陶本和是EE御用記者啊,不意外46F 118.171.22.111 台灣 03/15 18:46

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